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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:45:30 EDT
From: Dhl9
Anyone notice that there is now a permanent war crimes tribunal? There is so little talk about it but I think it will have a major impact on how the world does business. If the UN really uses this tool we could see the budgets of intelligence/ covert ops sections skyrocket. One key word, deniability.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:40:27 +0200
From: Lars-Inge Lindbom
Anyone notice that there is now a permanent war crimes tribunal?
We have heard some abaut it here in Sweden.Especially since an ex Croatian mayor hanged himself in the special warcriminal prison sometime during spring.I read an article abaut the UN warcriminal prison in Holland.Hightech and highsecurity but very few prisoners so far.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:42:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: "G. Wyckoff"
We have heard some abaut it here in Sweden.Especially since an ex Croatian mayor hanged himself in the special warcriminal prison sometime during spring.I read an article abaut the UN warcriminal prison in Holland.Hightech and highsecurity but very few prisoners so far.
I smell story idea. War criminal in the prison starts scrawling arcane symbols on the wall with crayon and muttering. Guards figure he has popped a gasket, but the next morning, the guy is gone. One of the agents, connected to the UN or Interpol or something of the sort, gets a call to a night at the opera to find him.
Or, even worse: a DG agent gets caught in mid-op and thrown in the prison for war crimes (how is the UN supposed to know that the Mi-go, and not your friendly DG agent standing over the ruins, actually detroyed the village). The PC's have to decide whether to follow orders and forget about it, or break their fellow agent (PC or NPC) out of prison.
Great way to get those DG agents over to Europe.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:47:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: Don Juneau
Anyone notice that there is now a permanent war crimes tribunal?
There were reports around last year, of spec-ops units being folded into one "hunter" group for snatching war-criminals in Bosnia, etc. Can't remember if they actually did anything, but it was a UN thing. (TIME magazine?)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:32:30 -0400
From: Graeme Price
There were reports around last year, of spec-ops units being folded into one "hunter" group for snatching war-criminals in Bosnia, etc. Can't remember if they actually did anything, but it was a UN thing. (TIME magazine?)
They did actually manage to shoot a couple of alleged war criminals dead, and capture a couple more. However I heard the other day that the operations have become more difficult as the local government (Serbian?) has begun giving out new identities to those on the wanted list (a pair or twins thought to be camp guards were captured by commandoes and taken back to the Hague, where it was found out that they were not the suspects that were wanted and they had to be released). Capturing the real high ups will be no mean feat as (esp. Milosevic) they seem to be surrounded by small armies.
Note that for any UN convention to have work, it must have the necessary teeth. This is a major problem with the Chemical and Biological weapons convention, which prohibits use and development of these materials (except research for _defensive_ purposes - which has something of a broad meaning
[viz. you can research how to counter the agents, but to do this you first have to work out how they will be used offensively]) but has no sanctions or penalties built in to punish (or deter) defaulting.
Neville Chamberlain's line about "I have in my hand a piece of paper from Herr Hitler" leaps immediately to mind, I'm afraid. But then I'm just a cynical sod.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:51:37 -0500
From: Shane Ivey
There were reports around last year, of spec-ops units being folded into one "hunter" group for snatching war-criminals in Bosnia, etc. Can't remember if they actually did anything, but it was a UN thing.
According to US News & World Report, Special Operations counterterrorism troops from SEAL Team 6 were sent over in 1995 (concealed in big supply drums, even) to form a strike force with CIA officers in order to track down and apprehend Bosnian-Serbian war criminals. Delta Force commandos followed in 1997, joining a now-massive international operation led by the US.
"In two separate operations, eight U.S. troops belonging to the U.S. Army's Delta and Torn Victor units put on French uniforms and traveled to Pale, hoping to conduct surveillance on Karadzic while his guard was down."
Of course, this may just be so much disinformation to cover up the fact that among the recent Delta Force troops were a number of federal law enforcement and intelligence officers who were then covertly routed through Bosnian Muslim resistance channels to Saudi Arabia and Egypt in pursuit of the so-called "Black Pharaoh Cult" in top secret Operation RAMSES, but that's another story.
If you want the "official" story, check out
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/980706/6pifw.htm
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:23:56 GMT0BST
From: Robert Thomas
There were reports around last year, of spec-ops units being folded into one "hunter" group for snatching war-criminals in Bosnia, etc. Can't remember if they actually did anything, but it was a UN thing. (TIME magazine?)
As I recall the media in the UK reported on a snatch operation involving the SAS, as the ground troops involved in the snatch operation, (one was shot in the leg and lived and they got their man), with the American forces in the area providing the logistical transport (insertion via helicopter) / intelligence support for the operation. Now if I remember correctly these operation have been scaled back or even halted because of the fear of retaliation against US / UK / other forces involved in the UN operation in the Balkans. There have been reprts also of operations being planned to grab Slobodan Milosovitch (excuse the spelling) the president of Serbia? To face the war crimes tribunal, again this has never been put into action, presumably for the same reason as the halting / scaling down of the above operations.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:36:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Petherick
They did actually manage to shoot a couple of alleged war criminals dead, and capture a couple more. However I heard the other day that the operations have become more difficult as the local government (Serbian?) has begun giving out new identities to those on the wanted list (a pair or twins thought to be camp guards were captured by commandoes and taken back to the Hague, where it was found out that they were not the suspects that were wanted and they had to be released). Capturing the real high ups will be no mean feat as (esp. Milosevic) they seem to be surrounded by small armies.
What has lately been receiving a lot of airplay on Canadian news channels is the story of the snatch of twin Serbian brothers by the British SAS. The house where these suspected war criminals were hiding had been under surveillance for some time. Once the targets were confirmed, a snatch team went in, took the brothers and they were transported to the Hague for trial.
The only problem was, the twins who were snatched weren't the war criminals. They had somehow snuck in while under surveillance and switched with the actual targets.
The brothers who were arrested are now being celebrated as heroes by the Serbians and are apparently considering suing the Coalition forces for false arrest and imprisonment.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:47:51 +0900
From: "David Farnell"
Or, even worse: a DG agent gets caught in mid-op and thrown in the prison for war crimes (how is the UN supposed to know that the Mi-go, and not your friendly DG agent standing over the ruins, actually detroyed the village). The PC's have to decide whether to follow orders and forget about it, or break their fellow agent (PC or NPC) out of prison.
Great way to get those DG agents over to Europe.
Sounds like the REAL reason the USA was against creating the court! Of course, they were worried about MJ-12 and REO DELTA boys getting tried for war crimes, not us.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:07:06 -0400
From: "John C. Detwiler"
…REO DELTA boys…
Please, tell me this isn't some hybrid of SRO DELTA and REO SPEEDWAGON.
<make it stop…please…the horror…>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:52:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Matt C."
Please, tell me this isn't some hybrid of SRO DELTA and REO SPEEDWAGON.
Ridin' the storm out!
and we ain't missin' a thing,
yeah,
Great Cthulhu's taken wing,
<etc. ;) >
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:38:55 +0900
From: "David Farnell"
Please, tell me this isn't some hybrid of SRO DELTA and REO SPEEDWAGON.
Whoooops! Getting my alphabet soup agencies mixed up with cheesey pop groups. ELO, BTO, SMAP…
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:25:15 EDT
From: J. Fred
Subject: Re: DG: RE: Re: War crimes tribunal
Oh NO!
Ridin' the storm out!
and we ain't missin' a thing,
yeah,
Great Cthulhu's taken wing,
etc. ;)
All projected from large speakers mounted on sinister black helicopters!
AAUGH! The ultimate eldritch junior high dance band horror!