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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:36:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Andrew D. Gable"
On Mon, 4 May 1998, Croaker Jr wrote:
Yesterday I saw a Learning Channel UFO special in which they discussed Nazi
scientists who brought super-high tech secrets over to the Allies and the
Soviet Union after WWII
Ah, yes, good ol' Operation PAPERCLIP. It's really ironic that our government accepted the help of the very people we fought in the war. Did you know that practically our entire space program is built on Nazi research?
It's also ironic that Unit 731 is rarely, if ever, mentioned. For as terrible as the Nazis were with human experimentation and what not, the Japanese may have been worse. Supposedly, the government made a deal also with 731, to bring the Japanese scientists over here and profit from the virological research.
And of course PAPERCLIP does come up in a UFOlogical context. If the Nazi rocket scientists came over here after the war, who knows what other scientists did? As you probably know, both this migration of Nazi scientists and Unit 731 figure in the X-Files conspiracy.
the Karotechia than we've already read about? It might be an interesting
angle to explore the "resuscitation" of Karotechia scientist who had some kind
of dealings with the Greys and sold his knowledge to the highest bidder…
perhaps DG rooted out his secrets and squelched them, but now there's a risk
that he'll be resuscitated by the K. so that they can try to get in on the
game that MJ-12 is already playing. Hmmmmm….
PAPERCLIP is a good background for a shadowy deal btwn. the Karotechia and MJ-12. Hadn't considered this "power struggle" idea, but it's a good one.
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:47:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Don Juneau
It's also ironic that Unit 731 is rarely, if ever, mentioned. For as
terrible as the Nazis were with human experimentation and what not, the
Japanese may have been worse. Supposedly, the government made a deal also
with 731, to bring the Japanese scientists over here and profit from the
Close. The deal was, to ignore 731 (and other war crimes-related units/figures) and gain their co-operation in chem/bio research. The British went along with the US request (I forget the exact explanation), but the Soviets were *seriously* pissed about it. (They eventually held a few war-crimes tribunals of their own, and did expose the biowar program; Russian-language transcripts are available, IIRC, but at the time it was ignored/called Red propaganda.)
Unit 731 used civilians and POWs as test subjects; IIRC, some US/British prisoners were killed by various nasty means. (One article online claims "live vivisection", but that may not be 731 itself. It's been a while since I read it…)
Some links seem to appear between Unit 731 researchers and purported US biowar activity during the Korean War; the US printing of FACTORIES OF DEATH (Sheldon Harris - ISBN 0-415-09105-5 [hardback], 0-415-13206-1 [paper] - "Japanese biological warfare, 1932-45, and the American cover-up") had the majority (entirety?) of the Korea accusations removed. (may have been first printing, tho; my copy has 'em.)
There's a number of Unit 731 (called 713 in some places) pages online, including copies of the NEWSWEEK <?> article; I can dig through my bookmarks if anyone is interested.
And of course PAPERCLIP does come up in a UFOlogical context. If the Nazi
rocket scientists came over here after the war, who knows what other
scientists did? As you probably know, both this migration of Nazi
scientists and Unit 731 figure in the X-Files conspiracy.
Interestingly enough, the alternate-universe series LUFTWAFFE 1946 ('47 now, I think) came out with a special "Foo Fighter" issue, detailing such fun things as saucers and flying wings, and based on some really neat-sounding books. (Of course, I seem to have buried mine at this time. <sigh>) Realistic (more or less <G>) flight-tech, but gee, it gives you *such* ideas…
(LUFTWAFFE 1946 ['47?] is a comic series from Antarctic Press - good stuff, if you can take anime/manga style art [good techiestuff] and an alternate WWII. I'll not add spoiler-material, other than noting some relevant correlation's between events "there" and Karotechia. <heheheh>)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:30:01 +0900
From: "David Farnell"
I don't know if they were brought to the US or not, but I do know that, according to a documentary book on Unit 731, 3 of the top brass not only got their war crimes charges dropped in exchange for their research files, but went on to found Green Cross, one of Japan's largest pharmacology businesses and one of the biggest drugstore chains.
Green Cross was one of the central players in the Ministry of Health's biggest scandal, a couple of years back. The big medical suppliers (including Green Cross) were importing "unheated blood products" from abroad because almost nobody gives blood here in Japan. These were, I believe, blood serum and platelets meant primarily for hemophiliacs. The Min. of Health looked into it and discovered that there was a very high danger of HIV contamination, so they decided to stop the imports and make the companies switch over to heat-treated blood products which were safer but slightly more expensive. The pharm. companies joined together to pressure the Ministry to reverse its decision, as they didn't want to change their suppliers who were probably giving them nice discounts not to switch over.
Of course, this had tragic results as large numbers of Japanese hemophiliacs were infected. Since these "blood products" are mixed together (they don't need to worry about blood typing) the HIV was through most of it, and, over a period of years, it was given to perhaps the majority of hemophiliacs in Japan, as well as others with certain blood disorders. Some here have, in all seriousness, suggested that this might have been an experiment on the part of former Unit 731 members.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:40:38 -0500
Would someone _please_ explain the Unit 731 project? I've heard
Unit 731 was the designation of the unit in the Japanese army, WW2-era, that was responsible for all sorts of nasty medical experiments and whatnot. They were featured on The X-Files once, in an episode called (surprise!) 731. A good deal of information exists on the 'net about the 731 boys; their "experiments" included live dissection of Chinese POWs (without anesthesia, mind you) to find out about the black plague's effects on internal systems.
They were almost unbelievably cruel to prisoners; in my opinion, they may have actually been worse than the Nazis in that way, not that I'm belittling how bad the Nazis were. Someone posted once a message which said that Green Cross, evidently a large biomedical firm or something in Japan, is/was owned by some ex-731 guys.
There's a lot of rumors circulating about a shady deal at the end of the war between the U.S. government and Unit 731, something about giving the Japanese immunity from war crimes prosecution in exchange for bacteriological warfare information. Doesn't seem at all unlikely to me, as we've admittedly done the same thing with some of the Nazis during Operation PAPERCLIP.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:08:33 +0900 (JST)
From: Jay and Mikiko
Ah yes, these were the guys who tied prisoners to stakes and then exploded hand grenades near them to inflict shrapnel wounds. The grenades had been dipped in something highly septic to insure good gangrene. Then they monitored the process of the infection. Really nice guys.
There is something about having an extremely well-ordered society that turns on you when the shit hits the fan. This is not to say that less rigid cultures are not capable of cruelty, it's just that the cruelty becomes to organized as to achieve a whole to new level of dehumanizing horror.
From: "Leigh Neville"
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:19:28 -0000
To Dave and others interested in Unit 731- the definitive source on the unit, including it's later Paperclip connections and US use of biowar in Korea, is 'Unit 731' by Peter Williams and David Wallace (ISBN 0 586 20822 4). Published by Grafton in London in 1990, it is unfortunately rather hard to come by. I picked up my secondhand but Amazon might be worth a shot. Conspiratorial scuttlebutt has it that it was released on the US market but lacking the chapter on US misdeeds in Korea.